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Ray1351
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:01:45 AM

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Every one might know that ps3 vs 360 is somthing that can never end (they are almost the same people!!!)if you talk about features then ps3 is the clear winner but for now ps3 is losing all because of the price and the games....since it has bin released this year it has a few problems:lack of games for one...
and the ps3 isnt being used properly by the game dovelopers so it might have alot of untaped potential but the same can be said for the 360 if we think about present ps3 vs 360(games)then xbox360 wins the round BUT if we think about futur games then it will be the ps3 to win that round!for now the 360 has 180+ games and the ps3 has 30- games soo its clear for wich is the winner...but if you realy wana find out the winner of graphics etc... for now its xbox360..FEAR NOT FELLOW PS3 FANBOYS(GIRLS)
ps3 has somthin called a GPU wich is much harder to use then its 360 counter part(for the game developers) but its like an advanced setting and once ppl start to get used to it it can run^^but saddy for now we can dream about kh3 ff13(all 3 versions) and the rumerd FF7REMAKE....wiinner is xbox360(there might still be a futur for the ps3)but until we wait like 1 year we will never be sure!
bigbrennan
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:56:32 AM
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How can you say the winner is Xbox360?

The wii has sold more than both the xbox and PS.
Metaf 128
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:54:42 AM

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I KNEW someone would say that! XD

Lizard Dude
hotdogs and haggis
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 3:42:14 PM

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Hehe, indeed, in terms of sales power the wii is winning hands down. Heck, still really hard to find one to buy as they are still selling out in stores on the day they get displayed.

I have a 360 and wii... my fav is my 360, im more of a fps guy, and the wii just didn't cut it for that, but its great for sports games. I would love to have got a ps3, but I couldn't afford one (i got a wii and 360 for the same price damn)
Steviepunk
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:03:28 PM

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I didn't think it had happened, however according to http://www.vgchartz.com/ the Wii has now gone ahead of the 360 in terms of total sales.

Ray, I don't see why you say that the PS3 will win on future games, why would it? I'm not aware of anything other than a couple of big titles that are PS3 exclusive, and even fewer that the 360 does not have an answer for.
To list a few:
Gran Tourismo - Forza2, PGR4
Tekken - ?? (no shortage of fighting game, though none that measure up to Tekken)
Killzone - Halo 3
Little Big Planet - n/a
Heavenly Sword - Ninja Gaiden (is that 360 exclusive? does it matter since Heavenly Sword is only getting average reviews?)

Tekken and LGP are two that are good for the PS3, but there are plenty of 360 exclusive games coming that will counter that. I definitely don't see anything that will cause a major sales surge for the PS3.
The 360 does have Halo3 very soon, that is likely to sell alot of new consoles, so I wouldn't expect the Wii to stay in front for long (though whether sales will be sustained is another matter)

As for the technical specs of the 360 and PS3, it is far from clear cut. On paper, the CPU of the PS3 is faster than the CPU in the 360, however in 'real world' situations this counts for very little. Due to the very different ways that the two CPUs are designed, the 360 is much easier to use, it has 3 full cores which can all be used as required, while the PS3 has 1 full core with 6 (or 7) minor cores - the total theoretical power of these cores is more than the 360, however the use of these minor cores has limitations which makes it much harder to take advantage of them.

On the GPU (graphic processing unit) side of things, I believe that the 360 leads this field. Both consoles have highly capable GPUs (PS3 by nVidia, 360 by ATI), with architecture similar to the PC cards, in standard terms there would be very little between the two. However, the 360 has a small advantage due to a feature that is only now coming into PC graphic cards called a Unified Pipeline. the PS3, and most PC cards, work with separate pipelines for the vertex shaders (these handle polygon level shading) and pixel shaders (these handle the finer levels of graphic shading) - this means that given a GPU with 8 vertex and 8 pixel, if a draw request comes through requiring 12 pixel and 4 vertex pipelines, then the request will take 2 cycles as only 8 pixels can be done in one cycle (add to that, vertex pipelines are sitting idle while the pixel ones are overworked!). With the 360 unified pipelines, the GPU simply has 16 pipelines that can handle either type, so for the same 12 pixel, 4 vertex request, the GPU can process it in a single cycle. If you apply that across a whole scene creation, then in some scenarios the 360 could be vastly quicker than the PS3. The difference between this and the CPU comparison is that the 360 GPU is easy to develop for and does not require highly specialist knowledge (compared to the PS3 CPU Vs the 360 CPU).

Then add in the memory, not only does the 360 have more memory than the PS3 to begin with, it is also unified memory as well, so which the PS3 has some RAM and some GFX memory, the 360 has 512MB of memory that can be used for anything - again, more flexibility to use.

I don't particularly like Sony's claims about developers being lazy, etc. That is just Sony trying to shift the blame for a poor architecture decision, if you were a developer and had to choose which console to develop for, would you choose:
A. The console with 10m sales and easier to program for (which means shorter development time relative to B)
B. the Console with 4m sales and harder to program for (which means longer development time relative to A)


IMO, The only way that Sony is going to pull themselves into the lead (against the 360, nevermind the Wii) will be through some significant price cuts.

(tech info is summarised and covering general terms!)
hotdogs and haggis
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:45:08 PM

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very detailed answer and accurate too! Kudos :)
Steviepunk
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:10:44 PM

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did think of another PS3 exclusive game

Final Fantasy XIII - Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey (an unknown factor, but still much anticipated)
Ray1351
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:07:50 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by bigbrennan

How can you say the winner is Xbox360?

The wii has sold more than both the xbox and PS.

ITS PS3VS 360 nothin to do with wii
undead
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 12:38:17 PM

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Grammar would have been nice Ray.

I understood squot.
rogem002
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:02:18 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by undead

Grammar would have been nice Ray.

I understood squot.



Ditto, there is no more space on the Internet for people who can't tie there own shoelaces.

Full On Design
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 6:51:49 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Ray1351

quote:
Originally posted by bigbrennan

How can you say the winner is Xbox360?

The wii has sold more than both the xbox and PS.

ITS PS3VS 360 nothin to do with wii



yeah, was just pointing out. however that was only one sentence, the rest of it all (the other 99%) was about PS3 v 360, so don't complain!

Besides, beating the 360 would mean nothing to Sony if they are both embarrassed by the Wii anyway
Ray1351
Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007 7:56:05 PM

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lol yeah somthing like that xD
Metaf 128
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:52:16 AM

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I think SSBB will take the Wii's advantage to the next level. It PWNS!

Lizard Dude
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:50:27 PM

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this is why i pretty much play PC exclusively. it's a pain to keep up with all the next-gen stuff. only time i play consoles anymore is Splinter Cell on Xbox and Legend of Zelda on N64 (back when Nintendo still knew what they were doing)
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:43:01 PM

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Something that the 360 doesn't have an answer for yet, the Eyetoy, just saw this trailer today and the first two games on there look pretty good!

http://www.eurogamer.net/tv_video.php?playlist_id=4413&s=l

rogem002
Posted: Monday, August 27, 2007 9:56:20 PM

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Why not just get a Wii though?

Full On Design
Metaf 128
Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:36:20 AM

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Yes.
Nintendo recently announced a new device for the Wii.

Lizard Dude
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Posted: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:50:22 PM

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http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=165

my problem with the Wii is that it's pretty much exclusively party games. i have no problem against party games but it's not the kind of thing you dedicate your entire next-gen console to. everyone i know who has a Wii only plays it when there's more people playing than just themselves
undead
Posted: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:25:20 AM

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Pimp my Xbox 360.

New program on VH1. True story.
Metaf 128
Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:04:28 PM

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There are good single player games on the Wii, and SSBB's story mode is more extensive.
wwww.smashbros.com

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