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punkgrunge
Posted: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:18:00 PM

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I was reading Q the other day and there was a article about when punk was born in 1976,It seems that it was born then everything started to get a bit blurry and the punk scene moved on to america after the ramones invaded and that the sex pistols and the clash kind of stopped being as intimidating and violent to the general public so they slowly disapeared. Does anyone know what happened to them in there later years ? and how did the sex pistols go from Anarchy in the U.k to
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Oh you silly thing youve really gone and done it naahh
and after that there was a period of WTF!?? and suddenly Punk turned soppy with greenday and Good Charlotte what the hell happened?
Steviepunk
Posted: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:26:59 PM

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not really sure about UK punk, think it's been fairly underground since it's early years, I can't really think of (m)any punk bands from the UK that have been big. The US punk scene it certainly has plenty of commercially successful punks bands (Offspring, Green Day, etc) and any punk band I can think of just now is from the US.

I think part of it comes down to what you define as 'punk'.
US punk bands like Offspring and Greenday don't really sound much like the Sex Pistols or the Clash, yet they are punk all the same. Was punk about anarchy? I don't think so, that's just how the Pistols did it. Given the progression of music, I don't think we're likely to hear any new bands that sound particularly like the orginal Brit Punk (though Rancid come close I think, then again they have been around for some time now).
I think of 'punk' as an attitude, not a style. To give an example that I came across a while ago
----
A punk is trying to explain to his friend what being a punk is about
friend: "So if I go wild and cause chaos, that's being punk?"
punk: "No, you've got think for yourself, be free from the influence of others, do your own thing"
The punk then kicks over a near by bin.
punk: "there, that's punk"
The friend then kicks over another near by bin
friend: "So that's punk!"
punk: "No, that's trendy"
----

You either get it or you don't.

Then again, by my definition, a lot more music/bands would be classed as punk... Motley Crue, Guns'N'roses and so on, most 80s metal embrassed the values I see in Punk, and there is still plenty today that does. On the other hand, Punk could not be immitated, as imitation alone excludes it from being punk!

Of course, people have a tendancy, particuarly in the UK, to exclude things (from any particular genre) on the basis that it has been successfully commercial... some people like to be a cliche, the want to be 'underground' and not be associated with mainstream. To give an older example, a girl duo called Shampoo had great commercial success with "Uh Oh, We're in trouble", they were wild and certainly appeared to be 'punk' in personality, attitude and musical style, however due to commercial success they were dis-owned in a manner of speaking.

Interstingly, a search on google provides a few definaitions of 'punk'
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:Punk

The most straight forward definition listed is "Punk Rock is an anti-establishment music movement", seems to sum it up well.
On that note, it probably helps explain why there are relatively few 'known' punk bands in the UK now. There was a lot of social unrest in the 70s when the scene began, things are not the same anymore and as people have got used to it and 'desensitised' to the shock of punk rock, the same impact has faded as it isn't new to everyone. Add to that, trends change and Punk was a trend back in the 70s, then consider that when something is a trend, it will get more effort and attention from the music business - if you add more effort and production values to punk music, does that not dilute what was actually 'punk' about it in the first place?

Most people are most 'anti-establishment' during their teens, so maybe that's why punk is often seen as 'for kids' (though I strongly disagree) these days.
As a generalisation, I think that there is little difference in musical sound between rock/metal and what is called punk now. I just think of modern punk music as metal with a sense of humour!

Maybe not a direct answer to your actual question, but maybe it will prompt some discussion
punkgrunge
Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:11:01 PM

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oooh Maybe inspired by the Ramones all the U.s bands were like hey cool lets try and sound like them but harder because the ramones sounded a lot more melodic and less anarchic than the sex pistols or the clash and a lot of ramones stuff was very very very very simple.
Did you know one of the ramones I cant recall who wa a rent boy to support his drug habits.
loopylass
Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:34:51 PM

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Nice explantion Stevie.
Although I must disagree that Greenday are punk. In their earlier days, an almost definate yes, but now they're just rock. I don't think they quite understand what punk is.
I am unsure if this will help you, but punk is not just a music taste or a particular style is a state of mind.

If you're looking for some good, British Punk, try Goldblade, 4ft Fingers, The Filaments.
I know more but can't think of them right now.
For other punk bands try; AFI, Alkaline Trio, the Distillers, Sum 41 (more rock/punk), the Mag Seven, New Found Glory and that's all I can think of right now.
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2006 11:24:33 PM

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Most punk is anti-government. Back in the 70's punk was closer to anarchism than anything else. They were sticking two fingers up at the establishment and having a good time doing so.


As for punk bands you want to be looking at: Sham 69, Bad Religion, Lower Class Brats, The Casulties, The Dwarves, Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag etc.
Steviepunk
Posted: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:30:30 PM

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now... The Dwarves...

Markyboy and I saw them when they played in Glasgow earlier this year. their music is great, tho' the gig was... well... 'unusual'


The point raised about Greenday kind of highlights my point... it's hard to define what punk is now. We tend to know it when we here it but we can't really define it. Maybe punk lacks definition by it's nature?

The anti-establishment element of punk was certainly key when punk first arrived but it doesn't seem to be so much a factor now. Could be because the 'symbols' of punk have now blended into our cultures - a mohawk () haircut used to be a distinct punk symbol, however recently it's been much more common (I can't believe how many school kids I've seen with mohawks in the last few years), it was probably even fashionable for a while after several footballers had them.
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:27:14 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by steviepunk

now... The Dwarves...

Markyboy and I saw them when they played in Glasgow earlier this year. their music is great, tho' the gig was... well... 'unusual'



Did the guitarist play naked?

He did last year at Reading Festival.
punkgrunge
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:30:38 AM

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I hate david Beckham for his stupid small and slightly Gay interpretation of the mohawk or Moheekan he completly buggered it up for all the punks and rockers out there.
Thanks for all the punk bands anyway
markyboy
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:00:39 AM

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Just had to come back with another band to try: The Exploited. From Edinburgh, arrived early 80's, still going today. Check out first two albums 'Punk's Not Dead' and 'Troops Of Tomorrow'
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:08:27 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Rancid_orphan

quote:
Originally posted by steviepunk

now... The Dwarves...

Markyboy and I saw them when they played in Glasgow earlier this year. their music is great, tho' the gig was... well... 'unusual'



Did the guitarist play naked?

He did last year at Reading Festival.



yes, he did. As did the drummer of the support band (well, he did wear a tube sock at times...), however it was the gig being stopped half-way through by the venue thanks to the actions of girl who climbed on stage.... We stood in shock and asked "Did she just do what I think she did?" as the lights came on the sound was cut
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:20:29 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by steviepunk
yes, he did. As did the drummer of the support band (well, he did wear a tube sock at times...), however it was the gig being stopped half-way through by the venue thanks to the actions of girl who climbed on stage.... We stood in shock and asked "Did she just do what I think she did?" as the lights came on the sound was cut



Hahahaha!

What did she do?!
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:32:15 PM

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I wouldn't say on a public forum, however it was something that could lost the venue it's licence had they not ended the show there and then!
punkgrunge
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:16:53 PM

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ohhhhhh please !??!!?!?!?!?!
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