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i really want to make my own website in 2006.
problem is i cant write html or anything else for that matter. can you please help me by telling me what i need and what i need to know.
i dont want some crappy 2 page blog.
it would be nice to have a forum.how much will i pay???
PLEASE HELP!
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If you can;t write HTML, Learn it, or use DreamWeaver. ****ty hosting is free, but if you want something better, usally £1 a month (Try http://www.rogem.net ) You could try http://www.freewebs.com they are good for beginers.
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First real question, whats the website for?
Who is your target audience, whats the content going to be? And most importantly, why will people want to visit your site over others?
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As Rogeman says, if you can't write HTML, you're best to try and learn it.
Using a WYSIWYG edittor like Dreamweaver will let you try different things and you can examine the HTML code produced to see how it works.
Plenty of good websites out there for HTML, just try Google.
Also, BB raises the important question. Decide what you want to do with your website first. There are so many things you could do with a website that you could get lost trying, so decide what you want first so you can set realistic goals.
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From a designers perspective (as apposed to these programmers telling you to learn html :) My method is always to create a design in an art package first. Using the latest programs like photoshop, it even now allows you to simply select points within your art file and instruct photoshop what it should rollover to, and links to, then it will create your code for you. However, knowing html and understanding its structure will help you clean up the webpage to make it more user friendly and load quicker.
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OK,i've learnt HTML (haven't slept in a while *yawn*) still having trouble with my button-hyperlinks but i'll get them right with a few more tests.
at the moment im writing all my HTML in a program called 'microsoft frontpage' but back at home (im not home) i dont have it,what else could i use to html in?
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p.s.
being an artist and a pirate im thinking of having a website that contains:
assorted forums
place that other people can post their art (and get it critd)
hopefully some animations
maybe some news about various crap (eg.recomended manga,good anime,lots of stuff)
post script's p.s.
what is my bandwidth limit before i have to pay.
$1 seems little but in south africa thats R5 ( you can buy a slab of chocolate with that!)
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actually i wouldnt say ive learnt HTML. correction-im learning it but i have the concept and basic knowledge now i.e. buttons,colours,images,text,forms. frames confuse me can someone tell me what they're about.
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I haven't used Frontpage in over 5 years, it was really bad back then, don't know how it's changed since. I use Dreamweaver, not used anything else for a long time, it's very good, however it does have a price tag on it so not in everyones reach. A good starting place might be Bluefish, http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.htmlSeems to be an Open Source HTML editor, though not sure if they have a Windows download or not. Alternatively, you could always have a look at Microsofts Visual Studio Express, currently you can download Web Developer Express beta for free. As far as I am aware, the Express line of products will be free anyway, only the full versions will require to be paid for. Not totally sure how HTML and design oriented these are, however doesn't hurt to have a look. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/
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Frames, should be condemned to hell.. they never work properly... but alas they are simple in principle. Basically a html page is created, that then divides into sections... lets just say top and bottom. From there, you specify a new html page to be displayed in the top frame, then a different one in the bottom. And so when the frame page is displayed on a website, it automatically pulls the two pages and places them into the top and bottom frames. This works well if your going to use a menu that wont change, that way you can load it into the top frame, and when someone chooses to go to a different page, only the bottom frame needs to change, thus you dont have to reload the menu images everytime you navigate to a new page. Sounds simple in theory, but browser issues dont make it work very well in terms of layout.
Hope this helped.
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thanx alot every one!
stevie-how big is ur site and how much you pay?
(pm me if u dont want everyone to know how rich you really are) j/k
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He he, To be honest Stevie's site is very small, people come for the free files (Drain Bandiwdth) then go. Instead of Frames use PHP includes or JavaScript Includes, it's like i iFrame, but it works with the page, is useful for headers, footers and what have you. I think the PHP code is <? PHP include 'URL To Page HERE' ?> I might be wrong though, google would be much better. On the subject of PHP; PHP can be used to create dymanic sites (Such as forums, or websites that require membership). I 99/100 websites use ASP..ok, i made that up, but take my advice, most websites use PHP because it's better then ASP and it's free to addon to a server. Mind it only works on Linux or Mac servers (I think thats right, i'm sure Linux supports PHP, and in a book this guy got his mac Server to run PHP). In Short, Use PHP in your page to make it intresting. Nobody uses Windows Servers, Use an Linux one. Good luck with your website :) Now to give you fingers a rest.
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Rogeman, please think before posting! 1. Swoj.com is not that small, like most dynamic sites, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than is visible on the surface. After code and database, this site uses in excess of 700MB in drive space, NOT including the files. 2. File hotlinking is limited, and I do have have stat tracking on the site (1 with Google and one local), so I know how the site visitors use the site. You'd be surprised just how popular Snake and Tetris still are  3. PHP is available for Windows servers as well. PHP is developed with Apache server in mind and can tie quite closely into that, however it will still run on any web server platform. 4. ASP is also free, it is Windows that costs. There are also other packages that will interprete ASP code, Chilisoft ASP and Apache::ASP are the two main ones. 5. PHP is used a lot but there are plenty of ASP hosting services around. ASP and ASP.NET have a much greater usage rate in the business community, so many people use Windows servers (myself included). 6. PHP is most definately NOT better than ASP. There is not much that one can do that the other can't, and syntax is relatively similar in structure as well. ASP.NET is vastly more capable and flexible, though does require much more 'programmer' knowledge to make full use of. 7. Use of Includes is definately recommended and is very common practice, however I would recommend that you only do this with server side scripting (ie. PHP or ASP), JAvascript includes are not recommended as these present major issues with website accessibility and can screw up the site on a browser that does not have javascript enabled. Using PHP (and any other language) does not make your site interesting, you need interesting content to do that. Good use of a scripting langauge can make the right information easier to access and easier to manage. Hotdogs and Haggis is definately right about frames... done to death in the 90s and they have not stood the test of time.
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hold up...I found (thx stevie) a site where I can download a fully functional forum.at that forumsnitz place but it says "IIS 4/IIS 5.x or PWS(Personal Web Server) on WIN95, WIN98, WIN ME, NT4, WIN2000 or WINXP, or an ASP Enabld Web Server on a Unix System (the forum has been tested on Chili!Asp), Microsoft Access 97/2000/2002 or SQL Server 6.5/7.0/2000 or MySql version 3.22 and 3.23" those are the system requirements.OK, what do I really need there, or what should i get, (im running under XP or 98)what do i need, where do i get it, and what do i do with it?
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Win98 can install an extra part call Personal Web Server, or on WinXP Pro you can install Internet Information Services. Not sure what you can do for WinXP Home edition.
Alternatively if you have a web host that provides ASP yet, then you could upload it there to use/test it.
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ASP is a language...right? HTML is a language...right? at the moment my site is all in HTML (it's very simple!,it looks almost the same as maddox's site come to think of it). what happens when i get a forum or i get more complex and need to use asp, can i write then both in one document? i was thinking of naming my site 'some random site.com' lol,i just wonder if it isn't too random. I cant have a specific name, like MEGA MANGA for example coz my site has lots of random crap on it. stevie, check your mail, i sent something to an address ' webmaster@swoj.com" coz i was using outlook express (which i never do)
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one more thing, I see ur using the snitz forum (says it in the right corner)
what exactly do you get after down loading it and how can you change the style.
(i know nothing...i know....hey....I KNOW SOMETHING!)
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IM A PIRATE...ARE YOU?
sorry needed some random off topic thing here.
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need more help.(god im pathetic) what the hell is a mirror (not the shiny glass thingi), i went to the snitz thing and clicked download and it asked me to choose my mirror??????
edited:I found a host that allows up to 100mb, and 1gb monthly bandwidth, HOWEVER its windows-based hosting,there are linux ones but they cost. whats the big difference between the two?
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For help on changing the Snitz forum around, I would suggest checking out the support forums on the Snitz site, there will be a lot more there than I can provide. ASP is a script language, different to HTML. HTML is what the browsers read to know how to layout the page. ASP is what the server processes, you use that so that the server knows what to send to the browser. I would suggest you do a lot of research on server side scripting to help you get an understanding of how everything is used in the big picture. Typically you will get ASP hosting on Windows and PHP hosting on Linux, that's the main difference. However the stage you are at, that is probably the only difference that will affect you just now. If you want to use the Snitz forums, you'll need to go with the windows hosting. And finally, a mirror is basically an alternative web address that holds the same information as somewhere else. Big sites, mainly ones with a lot of downloadable files, will have mirrors so that people can select the location closest to them for downloading. It also helps reduce traffic on their main site as well. Does that cover everything? 
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