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This thread is for people who have seen Matrix Revolutions and want to discuss it openly without spoiling it for people that have not see it.
So if you have not seen the movie yet, you probably do NOT want to read this thread.
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Originally posted by Degeneration and moved here: quote:
Originally posted by swoj
It wasn't a case of CG for the sake of it, if you have a better way of show 100,000+ robots flying through the air in a fight with several dozen gun-bots, without using a lot of CG, then let us here it! 
I'm not saying there was a better way to do it, but like with the big Neo Vs lots of Smiths from Reloaded, I feel the sights were set too high, and the technology isn't quite at the stage to convincingly pull it off. Maybe in this case of Revolutions, the fact that this attack on Zion was possibly the biggest set piece part of the film, but only involved all the 2nd string characters, meant that the power was lost. The 2nd string characters weren't ones which you particularly cared about or "knew", so there fate was no where near as important. Had it been someone like Morpheus in those big robot things, then there may have been more feeling for that scene. But for me, it just looked like a computer game again, not a film.
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Degen, You seem to be missing the point of the film I think. The first film was about Neo 'becoming'. These two films have continued to broaden to be about Mankind fighting for survival! It's no longer just about 1 person, it's about the species! I get your point about the Smith fight in reloaded, that was the only one that I think was border line on whether the technology was really there to do it seemlessly, the other parts I don't think are an issue though. Funny though, no one complained that Final Flight Of The Osiris looked computer generated!
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What's Final Fight of the Osiris? Is it one of the animatrix? If so, not seen it!
I think basically, parts 2 and 3 seriously underwhelmed and did nothing for me.
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yeah, Final Fight of the Osiris was one of the Animatrix films, was also shown as an acompanying feature infront of DreamCatcher just before Reloaded was released.
Animatrix is worth checking out (it fills in the story of the annoying kid that stalks Neo!). I'll lend it to you when you are up next.
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I found this review of Revolutions on AICN http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16448Aside from the fact he kind of backs up my views it is an interesting read and the part about Neo meeting Smith in the real world is amusing!
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Moving on to another part of the movie. The End There was a rumour about the internet that at the end Neo fulfils the prophecy and reset's the Matrix as he was supposed to do in Reloaded. While some people seem to think that this was the case, I'd have to say I do not agree. There was the part where it is explained to Neo that Smith is a result of the Matrix trying to balance itself (as per the programming of the Architect), ying and yang in a way. While it doesn't seem to follow that as Neo increases in power, so does Smith (Neo fought off 40 of him in Reloaded, but struggled with one in Revolutions!), it looks like Smith increases power by infecting more people, though they still remain opposites. At the end, Smith infects Neo which then results in what people think is a reset of the Matrix, this is where I see things differently. If Smith is the result of the Matrix trying to balance itself, then with the absense of Neo, there is no longer an opposite for Smith (how can you have good with out Evil?), therefore Smith cannot exist anymore. Smith is 'deleted' and leaves the hosts that he had infected behind (the girl, the Oracle, etc), then comes the change in the Matrix. Smith has changed it into the state it was in, so without Smith it could have reverted back to how it was, however, the black cat appears, just as it did in the orginal Matrix, then the Matrix changes and we see it doing exactly the same thing again. Remember Trinity telling Neo "Deja Vu is when they change something"? I took the cat and the deja vu thing to mean that the machines were changing the Matrix, not Neo hitting the reset button! Which then brings us to another question, the prophecy. The Oracle and the Architect have a chat at the end about what has happened - they are both programs and controllers of the Matrix, they both have their purpose. Was the purpose of the one ever to reset the Matrix as the Architect told him in Reloaded? I'm thinking not, I would guess that the purpose of the One was to bring peace between man and machine (in a manner that allowed both sides to save face of course!). The comment of the master machine saying "It is done" implies an intended goal and the care with which they treated Neo's body suggests that to them he was not just a battery. Ok, so what are your thoughts and opinions on that? 
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very nice analysis
is there anything people didnt understand? i can try to explain it (is best as possible)
p.s. i still have reason to believe there is an explanation of why the power of the One extends beyond the Matrix...
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Why did the ship The Hammer (or whatever its proper name was) have guns in Rev, when like we were told in the original "EMPs are the only weapon we have against the machines"?
That funny script thing that I posted in another Matrix Rev thread points out a lot of plot holes and continuity errors, which really should have some explanation.
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the ship is really the Mjolnir...the name of Thor's magical hammer...and i was thinking the same thing about the EMPs...and i know that the Nebuchadnezzar does indeed have gun turrets (2 in front, 2 behind)
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Film 1 - Birth
Film 2 - Live
Film 3 - Death
Thats how it is set, its also based on the bible, with the machines being god, neo being jesus, smith being the romans. Neo sacrafices himself so did jesus to protect mankind.[}}:-|>>]
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yes, how deep does the rabbit hole go?
there's the obvious thing you can see in 'Neo' where you rearrange the letters and it says 'One'. and the number on his apartment is 101. 'Trinity' means three, and the room she is in at the very beginning of the first movie is 303. 'Cypher' is short for 'Lucifer' and 'Morpheus' is the god of dreams (Greek god, i think) Nebuchadnezzar is a king from the Bible...Neo's real name, Thomas Anderson...Anderson means son of man, i believe, and Thomas means 'Twin' (think of the connection between Neo and Agent Smith)...and much, much more...
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The Film goes so deep, this is what makes it good, I am still learning about the first movie and I have seen it about 50 times  , The game 'Enter The Matrix' let the franchise down, it had appaling game play, and didn't feel very challanging, but the new game being released next year (with online play) looks much better, well lets hope it is 
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What a great film that was. quote:
I found this review of Revolutions on AICN
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16448
Aside from the fact he kind of backs up my views it is an interesting read and the part about Neo meeting Smith in the real world is amusing!
And yes, during that wonderful scene between Bane and Neo, I really did feel like slapping that stupid plank in the face several times with a large spatula. HE WAS CALLING YOU MR. ANDERSON FOR GOD SAKE! WHAT, YOU THINK HE FOUND OUT ON THE INTERNET! My only major problem with it was that you only know why the Oracle has changed if you play the game. And I would rather not suffer that...Oh and Smith should get his own mini series. Isn't he great.
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Or you know why the Oracle changed if you keep up with the news that the original actress died, which would have kinda made it hard for them to cast her again!! So they had to write the changing appearance of The Oracle into the script.
If it was originally planned, Gloria Foster (if that was her name) dying at the right point of filming was suspiciously eery.
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yes, her name is Gloria Foster
i agree with you, brennan. there is much to learn about the Matrix....sometimes i think The Terminator and The Matrix are about the exact same story, just different parts of it (it's possible!!)...yes, Enter the Matrix could have been better, but i liked it because it showed more of what happens in Reloaded. i, also, am really anticipating the release of The Matrix: Online...there's even a mod for Jedi Knights: Jedi Academy in production called The Matrix: Unplugged which looks pretty good so far
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Or you know why the Oracle changed if you keep up with the news that the original actress died, which would have kinda made it hard for them to cast her again!! So they had to write the changing appearance of The Oracle into the script.
If it was originally planned, Gloria Foster (if that was her name) dying at the right point of filming was suspiciously eery.
Well I knew that she was dead. I mean in the film universe. Unless you play the game you wont know why she changed. They can't just say in the film " I look different cos the last person who played me died". That would ruin it. quote:
sometimes i think The Terminator and The Matrix are about the exact same story, just different parts of it (it's possible!!)...
hmm...sentinels vs terminators, very nice.
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not exactly....terminators and sentinals would be on the same team
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No because SkyNet said something about the architects mum. The architect then spouted off some random philosophy at it. SkyNet cried and declared war.
And anyway, seeing a swarm of sentinels tearing into one of those massive tanks while T-800's try to shoot them off would look damn cool.
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