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Sephiroth
Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:57:04 PM
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Did he really graduate, because anyone who went to Harvard Uni wouldn't mispronounce Nuculer!!!! I mean Nuclear. oops.
Would he have been as faithful to Tony Blair if something like Sep 11 happened in Britan?! Im glad to live in a well educated community in London in a civilised country.
marvin
Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:51:17 PM
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hehe...
it's pronounced Nuc-u-ler.... (name the Simpsons episode and win a prize!)
must be and american thing.
it is tony and the uk gov that are acused of making up the evidence?

Go here to find out the real story!
Sephiroth
Posted: Sunday, July 13, 2003 3:58:45 PM
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I cant remember the episode name, but i can remember that it's the one where Homer joins the navy, and Bart gets his ear pierced. Do I win a prize for that? But really, did george bush actually have any reason to invade Iraq other than allegedly holding the worlds fate in it's balance? Why are so many of the Swoj forum members from the UK?
degeneration
Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:34:53 AM

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Why are so many users in the UK?

Good question!
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:54:05 PM

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I think it's the Navy espisode as well. Sparkle Sparkle.

Not sure why most forum users are in the UK, most Swoj.com visitors are in the US! very odd.

not sure about the Bush thing. Personally I think that Saddam did need removed, however, the evidence that lead to the action is suspect.
If someone like Saddam is to be removed it has to be done completely by the book, otherwise we are no better than him.
Obviously, if he was to be removed without the full evidence to back it up, then it had to be done when there was a massive post-september-11th ill feeling to anyone even slightly linked with terrorism.
The big issue now, and one that is less glamourous than the actual war, is that of redevelopment. I've not seen much, if anything, on the news that covers what is being done to set up a new government in Iraq and to help them move on from Saddams reign. The troops are still there, but I only here about it in the news when more troops get killed. This needs much more coverage if everyone is to realise that a war takes more than just sending over 50,000 troops to shoot anothe army.
Sephiroth
Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 8:09:42 PM
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U live in the u.k Mr Swoj (Im gonna start callin u that), so you've seen the news lately.
Apparently Tony Blair made up the evidence.
How dumb can u get?!!!!1
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, July 14, 2003 10:06:35 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Sephiroth

U live in the u.k Mr Swoj (Im gonna start callin u that), so you've seen the news lately.
Apparently Tony Blair made up the evidence.
How dumb can u get?!!!!1



That would be dumb, though I think you mean 'Allegedly', or maybe I've been watch Have I Got News For You a bit too often
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:13:12 AM

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Well Saddam has been asking for it for a few years now but still all they want is the oil

degeneration
Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:05:42 PM

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I agree, it was all about the oil, and something to divert attention from the fact that the US had completely failed in its attempts to find Osama Bin Laden.

They couldn't find him, much to the American public's frustration, so they made something up about how the Al Qaeda has ties with Iraq (there is no evidence to support this) and then said the Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, which the Al Qaeda could get hold of, therefore they had to remove Saddam. This gives the illusion that they are still making progress. When was the last time you heard anything about Osama Bin Laden and any intelligence info about his recent whereabouts?

Attacking Iraq created a smoke screen for their failure in getting O-B-L, and they get oil to boot.

Notice how they haven't been so despereate to sort out the Israel-Palestine situation... and what a surprise, no oil there.
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 2:14:56 PM

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Thats true they just trie to put on a good media front (does that make sense) i mean they basically got their "information" off the internet.
chris
Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:17:48 PM

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What has happend to O-B-L anyways doesn`t p. Bush care???
degeneration
Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:39:33 PM

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Behind the scenes I'm sure he still cares, but as they (apparently) have no clue whatsoever about his whereabouts, I very much doubt they'll be too keen to start mentioning him again in the media!
xena
Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2003 3:20:32 AM

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Yes! President Bush would be faithful to Tony Blair, and anyone else if such a thing as September 11th happened. I can guarantee you they had sufficient evidence to go after Saddam and Bin Laden. Anyone that sadistic should not be allowed to roam free. It is very tragic to know that there are people in this world that want to do the things that they have done. I live in the USA (USA ROCKS!!) and I have seen the faces of the people that were affected by September 11th firsthand. It was a day that I will never forget. Time for retribution. Yes, Bush cares...and I am glad that he had the "baws", as you say; to do what needed to be done. People are dying. Dying to change this world and make it a better place, dying for what they believe in. Dying for me and YOU! No matter where your back yard is, you should be allowed to feel safe and be safe from people like that.

PS! If you live in a well educated community then you should at least be able to spell correctly! LMAO! Sorry...couldn't hold my tongue!

And another thing! "They couldn't find him, much to the American public's frustration..." Why would it only be the American's that would be frustrated? Do only the American's care that someone such as that is roaming freely?
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:20:52 PM

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I don't think it's ever been a case that people didn't want Saddam or OBL and the Taliban removed, more of an issue of HOW is was done.

In the UK there is a growing number of people that see Tony Blair as being George Bush's lapdog. and with that feeling comes the feeling that Blair took Britain to war, not because Britain wanted to but because the USA wanted us to (no critism to the USA here, just the UK). Britains desire to go to war based on the evidence that Blair said they had was marginal, and now that stories have come to light that, allegedly, some of this evidence was made up, there is a lot of ill feeling towards Blair about it.
These are the issues that the Brittish press are covering.

As I said in a previous post, it's done now, my concern is that we do not get enough information about what is being done to rebuild Iraq (or Afganistan, not heard anything about that is some time). The war has to consist of more than just removing a dictator, the countries that did it have a responsibility to make sure that a stable and responsible new government takes the dictators place. I'm sure this is happening but we just don't hear anything about it
Clarissa the Countrywoman
Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:39:24 PM
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If I was an american, then by now I'd have moved to austrailia and gone to a speech therapist, George Bush makes me sick!
degeneration
Posted: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:32:22 AM

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I think I said "..american public's frustration.." rather than world's frustration or anything else less specfic as I get the impression that American's are the only ones left in the world that still support George Bush and have any positive feeling about what he is doing.

What the man has done for the world reputation of the USA is staggering. After Sept 11, pretty much the entire world was sympathetic towards the US, and they had the most of the world as their allies following that incident. But in the order of months George W Bush, being the worldly focussed and concerned man that he is - gotta admire the US's foreign policy (they have a foreign policy? doesn't it go along the lines of foreign = inferior, USA = superior) - in those months he managed to turn pretty much the entire world against the US. How he could make such a polar change in feeling towards an entire nation is still a mystery, the man obviously has talents... just not ones you'd want the man in charge of the most powerful, and possibly haphazardly crazy, nation in the world having.

Practically everyone outside of the US felt for america, now practically everyone outside the US has feelings of disgust towards the courses of action that they are taking. The anti-war protests in cities like San Francisco (which I witnessed, as I just happened to be on holiday there when they did big street protests!!), the thousands of people in cities like SF voicing their opinions, the US government showed that they don't listen to the public, the people that put them in their position of power...

I'm kinda jumping from thing to thing here, as I'm a little drunk just now, so apologies for that, but George W Bush has managed to turn the world's public perception of the US from being a country that everyone had feelings for after sept 11, to a country that the world frowns upon.

Keep that man in office, and in the foreseeable future we'll have WW3, everyone Vs. the US. I've heard the UN have had to change the laws on War Crimes because in the recent Gulf incidents the US have been guilty of things which are considered War Crimes, but as the UN is heavily US funded, the US basically said "charge us, and we'll bugger off and leave you... taking our money with us!" So the laws are being re-written so that the US are in the clear!
degeneration
Posted: Monday, July 28, 2003 12:44:47 AM

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Lengthy post of George "Dubya" Bush quotes... taken from:

http://www.columbiacentral.com/dubya/

"You don't need to be smart to be president"
--Republican Congressman J.C. Watts - said at a February campaign appearance on Bush's behalf. Washington Post, 6/11/00

"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating."
--U.S. News & World Report, April 3, 2000

"Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning"
--Florence, SC, Jan. 11, 2000

"Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
--Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it."
--Reuters, May 5, 2000

"I think we agree, the past is over."
--On his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000

"Laura and I really don't realize how bright our children is sometime until we get an objective analysis."
--Meet the Press, April 15, 2000

"I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California."
--Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000

"We want our teachers to be trained so they can meet the obligations; their obligations as teachers. We want them to know how to teach the science of reading. In order to make sure there's not this kind of federal cufflink."
--Fritsche Middle School, Milwaukee, March 30, 2000

"The fact that he relies on facts -- says things that are not factual -- are going to undermine his campaign."
--New York Times, March 4, 2000

"It is not Reaganesque to support a tax plan that is Clinton in nature."
--Los Angeles, Feb. 23, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one."
--New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"How do you know if you don't measure if you have a system that simply suckles kids through?"
--Explaining the need for educational accountability, Beaufort, S.C.,Feb.16, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have he can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low road."
--To reporters in Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."
--Hilton Head, S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"We ought to make the pie higher."
-South Carolina Republican Debate, Feb. 15, 2000

"I've changed my style somewhat, as you know. I'm less, I pontificate less, although it may be hard to tell it from this show. And I'm more interacting with people."
--Meet The Press, Feb. 13, 2000

"I think we need not only to eliminate the tollbooth to the middle class, I think we should knock down the tollbooth."
--Nashua, N.H., as quoted by Gail Collins, New York Times, Feb. 1, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case."
--Pella, Iowa, as quoted in the San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000"

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve."
--Speaking during Perseverance Month at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H.

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."
--Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."
--At a South Carolina oyster roast; quoted in the Financial Times, Jan.14, 2000

"There needs to be debates, like we're going through. There needs to be townhall meetings. There needs to be travel. This is a huge country."
--Larry King Live, Dec. 16, 1999

"The important question is, How many hands have I shaked?"
--Answering a question about why he hasn't spent more time in New Hampshire; quoted in the New York Times, Oct. 23, 1999

"Keep good relations with the Grecians."
--Quoted in the Economist, June 12, 1999

"When it is all said and done, I will have made more money than I ever dreamed I would make."
--Source & Date unknown (please email us the source if you know)

"I don't remember debates. I don't think we spent a lot of time debating it. Maybe we did, but I don't remember."
--On discussing the Vietnam War as an undergraduate at Yale, in the Washington Post, July 27, 1999

"Put the 'off' button on."
--South Carolina, February 14, 2000

"I did denounce it. I de-I denounced it. I denounced interracial dating. I denounced anti-Catholic bigacy... bigotry."
--Referring to his Bob Jones University visit and the subsequent criticism, Virginia, February 25, 2000

"We believe in opportunity for all Americans: Rich and poor, black and white...."
--From a speech at Bob Jones Univ., in South Carolina, 2/2/00

"We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor just like you like to be liked yourself."
--George W. Bush puts an interesting twist on Jesus Christ's proverb: "Love thy neighbor." (Quote is from the Financial Times)

"I would have said yes to abortion if only it was right. I mean, yeah it's right. Well no it's not right that's why I said no to it."
--South Carolina, February 14,2000

"My [tax cut] plan is realistic because it avoids meaningless 15-year projections."
--George W. Bush goes to extraordinary lengths to defend his tax cut plan. (Quote is from a Bush speech in Iowa, 12/1/99)

"The fundamental question is: 'Will I be a successful president when it comes to foreign policy?' I will be, but until I'm the president, it's going to be hard for me to verify that I think I'll be more effective."
--New York Times, 7/28/99

"There ought to be limits to freedom"
--at a Press conference at the Texas State House, May 21, 1999, referring to GWBush.com

"We have struggle to not proceed but to preceed to the future of a nation's child."
--Journal Gazette 11/12/00

"My opponent seems to think that Social Security is a federal program. I believe that money is yours and you should be able to invest it yourself."
-The final Presidential debate

"Down in Washington they're playing with Social Security like it's some kind of government program!"
-NBC Nightly News (Date unknown, anyone out there know?)

"The reason we start a war is to fight a war, win a war, thereby causing no more war!"
--The first Presidential debate

"They said, 'You know, this issue doesn't seem to resignate [sic] with the people.' And I said, you know something? Whether it resignates [sic] or not doesn't matter to me, because I stand for doing what's the right thing, and what the right thing is hearing the voices of people who work.
--Portland, Ore., Oct. 31, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it."
--LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet.
-Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it."
--The Presidential Debates. St. Louis, Mo., October 18, 2000

"It's going to require numerous IRA agents."
--On Gore's tax plan, Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000

"I don't think we need to be subliminable [sic] about the differences between our views on prescription drugs."
--Orlando, Fla., Sept. 12, 2000. He then repeatedly mispronounced the word after his press conference.

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
--Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

"Will the highways on the Internet become more few?"
--Concord, N.H., Jan. 29, 2000

"It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our imports come from overseas."
--Beaverton, Ore., Sep. 25, 2000

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator..."
--Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect

"They misunderestimated me."
--Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the 20th, 20th, the 21st century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the 20th century. This is the first chapter of the 21st century."
--On the Lewinsky scandal, Arlington Heights, Ill., Oct. 24, 2000"

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
—LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000"

"There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.'"
— Boston, Massachusetts, October 3, 2000

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question"
--Reynoldsburg, Ohio, October 4, 2000

"You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test."
--February 21, 2001 - President Bush at Townsend Elementary School, touting his education reform plans.
Rancid_orphan
Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2003 1:14:09 AM

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Bet you didnt know that George Double ya is actually a robot that was built to annoy the hell out of people just like me!
Void
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Rancid_orphan
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