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degeneration
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 9:24:17 PM

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I think the Oscars are basically an ass kissing event.

I've remember hearing in the past that in some categories the some of the judges hadn't even seen all the films that were nominated! How can they vote if they haven't seen them all?!??!

And why is it the best actor/actress is just about never from a comedy film (granted this year may be an exception)? It seems like it always has to be a serious role. Or if you are an attractive female actress, to get yourself nominated you just have to make yourself ugly in the film, and that will be judged as an amazing performance!

But my vote is for Johnny Depp to win best actor!!! He was fantastic as Jack Sparrow!
Best film could be RotK (just to get back on topic!!).
bigbrennan
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:00:41 PM
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Best Film will be ROTK, but I think that might be the only award they get! Unless there is an special effects award.
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Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:30:17 PM

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I agree, the oscars generally are a self gratifying pat on the back within the industry.

As far as I can see, there has always been a level of snobbery in there. Typically, as Degen has said, comedy and action films do tend to get swept aside at these things in favour of more 'intelligent' films. Admittedly, actions films do not usualy demand great action skills, however, comedy depends on it greatly - however, with films like As Good As It Gets, oscars were deserved, however you see a certain type of comedy as being preferred (Diane Keating is nominated for Somethings Gotta Give, which is very similar to As Good As It Gets).

Johnny Depp is a surprise and I would love to see him get that award, though I have a feeling that it will go to Ben Kingsley or Sean Penn. not seen either of those films, but I just have this gut feeling. I would also point out that Bill Murry was great in Lost In Translation, unfortunately I do not see him winning either, again, gut feeling.

I would really like to see Lost In Transaltion get something from the awards, I think it has a good chance for the WRITING (ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY) category.

Visual Effects, I think this will go to Master and Commander, the Oscars have always seemed highly rate the effects that are not obvious. In this case, creating waves, ships, weather, etc is more natural than Orcs, undead and ghosts. I remember Forrest Gump getting this award, beating Jurassic Park (I think), the key shot shown being one on how they made the guy look like he didn't have any legs! Subtle effects that we wouldn't really have noticed, I think that will weigh heavily in favour of Master and Commander. On the otherhand, LOTR is a powerhouse franchise, that also helps!

I always think that the small number of films that show in the awards is an indication of the inbred nature of the industry. In the whole nomination list, there are around 10 or 12 films covered (not including the Short films), yet I'm sure that you can all think of a few others that may have deserved at least one nomination. Seems that most films get lots of nominations, or none.

As ever though, I'll be hoping for a sci-fi/action heavy result list, LOTR and Pirates of the Carribean being my favourites, and would be good to see Lost In Translation get a win - in case you haven'y guessed, I really liked that film, was a great change of pace and very enjoyable! Scarlett Johansson is also very gorgeous!

Anyway, we'll know in the morning how it goes!




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Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:38:02 PM
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Of course, special effect Lord of the Rings brought a new level! Gollum, he is the greatest animated character ever, but havingsaid that what happened to films like Final Fantasy and the Toy story films? Granted they were not great to watch but the amount of computer generated imagery was amazing!

But is the award Special effects? or is it Computer generated effects? Special effects can be simple like you said, make up and masks count towards it.

Not long to go now,
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:48:27 PM

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Gollum is not so ground breaking, Jar Jar was there first as a CG character integrated with live action (or if we want to go further back, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, though he wasn't CG!)
Then again, Gollum is the first one to actually look believable and really blur the lines.

I really enjoyed both Final Fantasy and Toy Story, I would disagree about not being great to watch - both were had amazing levels of imagery and were both consistent through out, that is the key factor in good CG, consistency (you should know that!). Toy Story characters and FF characters are not good enough to fit in with live action (neither is Mr I! ), however in their own 'world', they can be believable if everything is consistent.
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Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 10:57:51 PM
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Thats it, its the worl that the animation takes part in. An example of this is Xiao Xiao, if you went and saw a film and one of the characters has to jump of a cliff into fire you would not expect the film to change from human to stick man (It may be funny to see)! I liked first Toy Story but second was lacking. People have seemed to forgot all about Matrix Revolutions the special effects in that were inreddible!

Lord of the Rings will win more for its directing and acting than its effects, but they should not go un-mentioned as with them the film just wouldn't jell.
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:02:59 PM

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agreed, as we have said several times in this thread, LOTR is a good example of what happens when everything is good. Many films we enjoy even although they have a few flaws, LOTR does not appear to have any flaws in my mind (unless you count not following the book word for word, but for book to movie, I think that is good!)
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Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:10:46 PM
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Its too good. Its hard for people to realise how good it is because I film like this has never been done before! There is nothing to compare it too.

I like the way that Lord of the Rings has brought acotrs into the scene! One of these would be Orlando Bloom (leoglas) Lord of the Rings was hid first film and now he is 'hot property'.
Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:13:20 PM

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yeah, he's had a good start, though better watch that he doesn't go the same way as Mark Hammil!

however, landing in Pirates of the Carribean was a very good move on his part.

And back to Matrix Revolutuions - loved the film! techincally, the face deforming punch against Smith was a master piece. Very complex and pulled off fantastically!
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Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:17:42 PM
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When I saw that I was gob smacked, the way that punch connected and they way that water doplets (rain) splattered on his hand, brilliant! The attack on the last city, was amazing every bullet every sentinal those machines they fought in! GOSH!!!!!!!!!!

who is Mark Hammil???

Steviepunk
Posted: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:25:35 PM

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Luke Skywalker! I hope you were joking!

If not, it kind of proves my point. After Star Wars, Mark Hamill pretty much disappeared. Has actually had a lot of roles, but all fairly low key.
bigbrennan
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 9:44:16 AM
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Oh Luke Skywalker, I wasn't joking! That proves your point then,

Lord of the Rings won 11 awards out of the 11 nominations they had! I have not yet seen the show, but 11 does seem a lot. I heard that its got joint record now for most awards won by a single film! Well done Peter.
degeneration
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:11:56 AM

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One reason that Matrix Rev could have been 'forgotten' for the Oscars was that the Matrix franchise was kinda ruined a little in the sequels. The sequels became far more style over content, and popularity for the franchise declined. The opposite appears to be the case for LotR. It got more and more popular with each film. So with the Matrix films not being looked on as well anymore, it would have been a far more popular decision for them to go with LotR.

Think Mark Hamill also disappeared a little because he was involved in a car accident (or something like that) in which he was quite badly injured, I think...
IC DED PPL
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:52:41 AM

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That accident was during the filming of The Empire Strikes Back. When the Wampa (big white bear thing)slaps him all those cuts were real ones from a car crash, unless he had another one afterwards.

But enough about that. 11 AWARDS MAN! That's a record for sure. And $1 billion on the global box office. Fan-bloody-tastic! Seems the judges did the unthinkable this year and actually watched the nominations. Oh and a big YAY to Finding Nemo for best animated feature. Yes, today I am a happy man.
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 1:08:25 PM

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Degen, kind of proves the point about the oscars not exactly being a fair process.

however... 11 Oscars, definately a good night. And Lost In Translation got the screen writing award, nice one!
Shame about Johnny Depp





degeneration
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:08:58 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by IC DED PPL


But enough about that. 11 AWARDS MAN! That's a record for sure.


AFAIK, it is a joint record.
LotR (for those that don't know the individual categories) won: (Titanic's wins are in brackets for comparison)

ART DIRECTION (ART DIRECTION)
COSTUME DESIGN (COSTUME DESIGN)
DIRECTING (DIRECTING)
FILM EDITING (FILM EDITING)
MUSIC - SCORE (MUSIC - SCORE)
MUSIC - SONG (MUSIC - SONG)
BEST PICTURE (BEST PICTURE)
MAKEUP (Sound)
SOUND MIXING (Sound Effects Editing)
VISUAL EFFECTS (Visual Effects)
WRITING - ADAPTED SCREENPLAY (Cinematography)

What exactly is Sound Mixing, and is it the same as sound effects editting? Looks like the two films got pretty much the same awards, with only one or two exceptions.
bigbrennan
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:03:11 PM
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Sound mixing is the way sounds blend into together (I think it must be one of those rewards to pass the time of the show!). Lord of the Rings got 11, but I really don't think some of them should have gone to them! I do think they should of got some sort of acting award.
Steviepunk
Posted: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:19:32 PM

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yeah, the performances were superb by all, Elijah Wood would have deserved a nomination at least. Would have been funny to see all nominations go to LOTR cast!

Still, you can't really argue with the nominations for best actor, they were good (well, the ones I've seen anyway)
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